Recent years have witnessed the reemergence inn American politics of prominent figures, including Senator Bernie Sanders, and Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who describe themselves as "Democratic Socialist". Hat do the new American Socialists mean, and what are the counter arguments to their policy prescriptions? Guests: Dr. Michael Kazin, Professor of History at Georgetown University and co-editor of Dissent magazine Amity Shlaes, Author and columnist.