Police Commissioners Danielle Outlaw and Charles H. Ramsey bring combined expertise from a total of five metropolitan police districts across the United States: Philadelphia, PA; Portland, OR; Oakland, CA; Chicago, IL; and Washington, D.C. In this episode of The Civil Discourse-the first in a two-part roundtable discussion-Outlaw and Ramsey join Host Paula Marantz Cohen to recount their path to law enforcement leadership and what both have learned about police culture across the country. This installment of the commissioners discussion also delves into concerns surrounding recruitment practices and the call to defund or abolish the police.