Police Commissioners Danielle Outlaw and Charles H. Ramsey bring combined expertise from a total of five metropolitan police districts across the United States: Philadelphia, PA; Portland, OR; Oakland, CA; Chicago, IL; and Washington, D.C. In this episode of The Civil Discourse-the second in a two-part roundtable discussion-Outlaw and Ramsey join Host Paula Marantz Cohen to dissect controversial topics including community policing, union relationships, and the call to defund or abolish the police.